By Paul Daquilante • Staff Writer • 

Two McMinnville officers returned fire on Mt. Mazama

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Comments

Joel R

Its not healthy for police-community relations (which are already at a very low ebb) when the police refuse to do something as basic as identify who the officers that fired their weapons were. There is just absolutely no good reason to withhold that kind of info. It makes them look like they have potentially done something wrong and are trying to hide it. Come on Sam Elliott you're better than that, tell us who they are.

Bill B

I'm no expert but I believe it's SOP not to identify the officers. That's particularly the case now days when social media idiots post officer's names and addresses. Why do you want to know their names?

Joel R

Bill B, Because as a general rule, transparency in government is always the best policy. Once things start getting hidden, it opens the door for corruption in government. I could care less what their names are and almost certainly wouldn't recognize their names...it's just a matter of principle. Of course their can always be exceptions to any rule (safety being a big one) but that should be decided by a judge or other similar person who isn't connected to the same government agency.

JWC

If the Mac PD had been training with the Washington County Tactical Team, OSP Tactical Team and USAF Para Rescue Squadron that I have hosted on my property, they might have actually been able to hit the perpetrator when they shot at him rather than just ventilating his house. I confess that I might not have been so generous if I had known that they would be rescuing a bunch of MacMinniville Morons who gave my marijuana bootlegging tenant a free pass for shooting at my children.

Flex5796

Joel, seriously? No good reason to withhold the name of officers, or of the previous person in the home, during an ACTIVE investigation. My guess is you have no idea of S.O.P. When it comes to any kind of an investigation the names won’t be released until the investigation is concluded and people who may have nothing to do with it are released or cleared. They aren’t hiding anything, if the investigation was closed and court done and they still didn’t, that would be hiding.

madmacs

@JWC If the people were facing criminal charges the jury would have been comprised of residents of Yamhill county, not just McMinnville. At any rate, displays of anger such as this are part of the reason the names are not disclosed until after the investigation.

JWC

Madmacs

The defense attorney abused the Voir Dire process to exclude any gun owners except one from the jury.
All but one of the jurors were from MacMinniville. They were staff at Linfield or other school teachers.

The defense attorney then spewed Bovine Scatology all over the courtroom, the judge and the jury to invoke the Elmer Fudd defense that a shotgun is not a deadly weapon. The shotgun in question was a Remington 870, pump action shotgun. This is the same model shotgun that was used for the Washington Navy Yard massacre and the Sante Fe Texas high school massacre. Sarah Conner uses shotguns to hunt terminators too, LOL.

This same defense attorney is still spewing BS about how his alcoholic, possibly drug addicted, recently DUII convicted, marijuana bootlegging client is not a threat because he only loads his shotgun with buckshot. Buckshot will penetrate a human skull from a range of 400 yards. The defense attorney's own wife who is a Columbia County Deputy District Attorney would characterize this perp as a homicide waiting to happen.

Some of you MacMiniville Morons might remember that one of the Deputies in the Washington County Tactical Negotiations Team that saved your butts was nearly killed at Hagg Lake when a habitual felon shot him with a smaller gauge shotgun loaded with birdshot from a range of about 20 yards.

DMarks

Joel - From my experience as an officer at Mac PD and working with Sgt Elliott, they are doing everything they can to keep the community informed and keep their employees and employee families safe. Other cities have had to deal with internet trolls and anti-government groups targeting individual officers and their families online, by posting their addresses and family details, and even suggesting harm to the officer or their family in their private lives. While officers are willing to put their lives on the line for this community, it is asking too much to expect them to place their families in harm's way.

Don Dix

Morons? "Buckshot will penetrate a human skull from a range of 400 yards." Not even close -- from experience (shooting targets with 1/2 plywood backing), more like 100 - 120 yards at most (3 in. mag, 12 g, 30 in. barrel, choke - full to open).

Lulu

Too bad they didn't tread on Mr. Cashman. I expect the neighborhood night out party on Mt. Mazama is off.

JWC

Don Dix:

Read here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5912041/

It does not take much velocity to penetrate a human skull.

My calculation was for 000, lead buckshot. Number 4 buckshot would not have enough penetration through bone but could slip between your ribs. When you can calculate the residual velocity of various projectiles at various ranges, then you will have credibility. In the meantime, review Oregon's Hunter Safety Curriculum.

madmacs

You sound kind of unhinged.

Don Dix

JWC -- #000 buckshot will kill @ 100 yds., but with only 8 pellets, the chances of even hitting the target are suspect. A pellet from this shell is .36 diameter (larger than a bullet from a 7MM - .284). Muzzle velocity is the key. A shotgun has less than half of the velocity of the 7MM (shotgun- 1200-1600 fps. -- 7MM - 2800-3500 fps.). It's simply physics -- a larger projectile with less velocity will have less efficiency (speed) and lose that velocity more quickly than a smaller, lighter round fired at twice the speed.

The proof lies in firing test rounds, not calculations. It's highly unlikely #000 buckshot can even reach 400 yds., let alone be deadly. Experience is the best teacher -- you should try it!

Don Dix

Hunter's safety? -- been there, taught that.

Flex5796

Actually there are several reasons not to post the information. One of the reasons could be, posting the name of an officer who is under investigation, puts their own family at risk. If they have small children and a spouse at home, that leaves them at risk for attack when they themselves are innocent. Let the investigation be completed. Then ask. It really isn't a difficult concept to understand.

JWC

Don Dix:

Now you are making some sense. I absolutely agree that the hit probability against a lone person from buckshot at 100 yards is minimal. The same is true about an AR-15 with a bump stock at 500 yards. Depending on the bullet weight and exact range, the bullets lost about 50% to 70% of their muzzle energy to aerodynamic drag. Unfortunately; this low hit probability and impact energy didn't prevent James Paddock from committing the deadliest mass shooting in US history. If some maniac decides to shoot up a similar crowd with a shotgun loaded with buckshot at 100 yards, the carnage would be similar.

I have never taught Hunters safety. I have done conceptual designs for a saboted, sub caliber, guided projectile for the 16" guns on Iowa class battleships. test firing an inert mockup was fun.

JWC

Don Dix:

Ballistic coefficient is the key. Drag force is approximately proportional to velocity squared. Remaining velocity is approximately an exponential decay function complicated by the drag coefficient changing with velocity.

Don Dix

Gravity maybe? However, all that means is a load of buckshot still won't have enough velocity to 'penetrate a human skull @ 400 yds'.

JWC

Since you can not do the math, here is a helpful online calculator.
this app only calculates velocity for a depressed trajectory. a lofted trajectory results in impact at terminal velocity

we might quibble about the minimum velocity threshold, but plenty of people have been killed by falling bullets to make my point.