By Nicole Montesano • Staff Writer • 

Crowd urges county to rebel on gun laws

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Coco

“There is a time and a place for guns ... there is also a time and place to take guns away,” she said.

I agree. Imagine how much better society would be if we held on to science books as hard as we hold on to our weapons. I hope all guns in the county are one day eradicated.

fir tree

Mary Starrett should go back and review her oath of office. There are so many important things that need attention in the County and instead she's pushing forward an agenda concocted by her brother - who doesn't even live in this County. I hope everyone listens close to what her colleagues said, "Rick Olson and Casey Kulla, both of whom said they support gun ownership rights, but do not want to put the county in the position of violating state law."

Rotwang

I never trusted Kulla. I didn't vote for him. He would never give me a direct answer about his position on IP43/44 when that was an issue last year. Now I see why. He's just another statist, along with Olson, supporting blind obedience to state law, even if it is illegal or simply wrong.

Rotwang

Coco, you do know that it takes men with guns to eradicate guns.

Rumpelstilzchen

It all comes doen to one thing: lack of jurisdiction. As Boenisch pointed out, the county cannot constitutionally pass anything that violates state law. So as far as the purpose of the county commission is concerned, this was a futile exercise; they might as well have discussed a resolution to oppose rain.

So all this did was to provide a general forum for venting about gun control, mostly against. Since there isn’t anything on the table in Salem that has any chance of passing (although the right-wing blogosphere has created a big flap about that kids’ fantasy bill), the discussion wasn’t even particularly focussed; I’m not aware of any effort to outlaw squirrel hunting.

bdf

I find it ironic that WE as a state can choose to ignore federal law, but if a county chooses to ignore state law it’s an issue. But what the heck do I know.

Bigfootlives


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

What is so hard to understand about this simple statement? The constitution outlines God given rights that the government has no authority to restrict or remove... infringe. I really don’t give a **** about breaking state laws. They only enforce laws on the little people who pay the taxes while creating a sanctuary they hand out to anyone they deem fit.

The 5 round magazine limit the state wants to enforce will make every gun with a magazine illegal, which is basically all of them. After the last election when the democrats/liberals/socialists took the super majority in Salem they stated, and I’m paraphrasing, that now we have no resistance to raise taxes and move our agenda.

More regulations, more taxes, more restrictions, where does it stop? When was the last time politicians promised to protect our liberties, our freedoms, reduce regulations and enforce the laws fairly across the board? No sanctuaries raising certain classes of people above the law.

If my memory serves me when Sheriff Svenson was campaigning for his job he pledged to protect the second amendment against unconstitutional laws . Now he wants to be careful about the county not crossing the line with the state. Sad and disappointing.

Mudstump

"McMinnville resident Doug Barry complained that “The despots we now see in Salem [are] trying to run the whole state.”

Isn't that exactly what they are supposed to do? It's like saying the despot in the White House is trying to run the whole country.

Mike

I like a "Well regulated Militia" part. Does it mean anyone and everyone can have deadly force, deadly force designed specifically to kill people? It could mean by Militia, folks with guns need to be trained, work together, you know like a militia. They may even have to have a term of militia like service to really know how to use and when to use deadly force. We have millions of guns and very few well regulated militias.

Mudstump

bdf - "I find it ironic that WE as a state can choose to ignore federal law, but if a county chooses to ignore state law it’s an issue. But what the heck do I know."

One difference is that the majority of people in Oregon and the country support legal marijuana. The majority also favor common sense gun laws.

bdf

Mudsump “One difference is that the majority of people in Oregon and the country support legal marijuana. The majority also favor common sense gun laws.”

Laws are designed to protect everyone’s rights. By your logic the majority should always rule over the minority. But what happens when the majority suppresses the minority’s rights? “Majority”, is a matter of community. Views are different and diverse. I can assure you that a gun has killed no one and neither has marijuana. Both require an individual to act on said object. Let start holding individuals accountable and respecting the rights of our neighbors. If you don’t like what the other person believes in then ok. But that does not give you them right to force your will on them. Might have to start thinking your a Trump fan. Wink wink

Bigfootlives

Mike. I disagree. The makeup of a militia is a group of people who can be pulled together in a time of need. Not a regular fighting force organized and training TOGETHER on a regular basis. The people who these laws will impact are not the problem. Every concealed weapons license holder , of which I am one, has to attend training to obtain a license. Majority of CCL holder regularly target shoot, for sport, improving safe handling of the weapon, and accuracy. Some might call it training. If my son and I have to protect our home from an intruder we could technically be called a militia.

Militias are formed in a time of need. There were no militia before the revolutionary war, but when the need came, regular people stood up to be counted.

And everyone currently has deadly force, whether with a vehicle, their hands, a knife, hammer, etc. taking away or limiting guns won’t stop this but only increase it. If someone comes in my house to use deadly force he will be swiftly met with same and I won’t be using a hammer.

tagup

And you need a semi auto rifle & 20 round mag to do that.....inside your house?....seems to me a 12 gauge or a handgun would suffice....

Bigfootlives

Tag up. It’s not up to you or anyone else to say what I need or don’t need to protect me or my family. And the proposed law targets so called ‘assault rifles’ and handguns.

tagup

I understand the importance of protecting your home/ family....but attempts to justify the use of semi autos as home defense weapons doesn’t hold water when there are other and possibly better options are available....Seems like shooting through walls would not be a great benefit in most intruder situations...

john fritter

So would a person be safer with a 8 round pump action 12ga or 3 round semi auto 12ga?

Rick

Tagup
Most firearm bullets penetrate typical household walls readily.
.22 long rifle bullets will penetrate about 8 sheets of drywall if it doesn't hit something in the wall.
Most other handgun bullets will penetrate between 6 and 12 layers.
A common caliber for an Ar15 is the .223 Remington,its bullet will penetrate 10 layers of drywall and then penetrate 3" of ballistics gel.
A 9mm bullet will penetrate 10 layers and go on to penetrate 9" of ballistics gel.
Interesting how the hollow point pistol bullet out penetrate s the rifle bullet.

Coco

You don't need guns to eradicate gun violence. All you need is to have a bunch of people grow up and hand over their pieces of metal before they shoot their eye out. That simple. We are teaching a new generation this simple rule. Can't wait until they take over.

Mike

That's the thing Bigfootlives we can disagree on what 'militia' means and what it is. How about the 'well regulated militia' part? We will disagree about what 'well regulated' means. George Washington and the boys got together. It took years. They made him a general to run an Army. Kind of well regulated. What you call a 'militia' of folks coming together someone else might consider a mob with guns. Yes I know we disagree.

Rotwang

Coco, it appears that the people in Salem that you voted for have chosen the men with guns option.

Bigfootlives

Mike. Sounds like we just disagree on a leader...? Between my boy and I, that would be me.

...someone else might consider a mob with guns. That’s just what the British thought!

Stella

fir tree
Mary Starrett should go back and review her oath of office. There are so many important things that need attention in the County and instead she's pushing forward an agenda concocted by her brother - who doesn't even live in this County. I hope everyone listens close to what her colleagues said, "Rick Olson and Casey Kulla, both of whom said they support gun ownership rights, but do not want to put the county in the position of violating state law."
04:02 pm - Fri, March 22 2019

Well said!!

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