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Transient arrested for desecrating flag

Jun 2, 2012 | 21 Comments


By Paul Daquilante
Of the News-Register


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04:21 am - Mon, June 4 2012
troy prouty said:
He probably could of told us why he did that to the flag, maybe for example his country pushing their way into other countries business, or how they have given tons of tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations thus creating the biggest division of wealth vs poor in this countries history. OR maybe he just wanted to be a jerk and destroy something that wasn't his. It's too bad you don't list his reasoning. Maybe at trial! doubt there will be one 80% don't get there.

Personally I'm not too proud of that Flag right now either, I'm starting to think it represents greed, arrogance and selfishness. Maybe it always has, and I finally woke up and realized it. It's pretty sad when you send troops overseas to protect corporate interest so they can keep their CEO's salary higher - Increased 9% this year... while screwing the majority of the workers under them, by doing things like pay cuts, not pay increases, stealing pensions, (moving jobs overseas to pay someone a few dollars a day). Makes one wonder every time a soldier dies, what the true sacrifice is. Seems all a lie that everyone was dumb enough to buy into

Troy Prouty*.
07:47 am - Mon, June 4 2012
miketubbs1 said:
Boredom probably got to him, ran out of ideas for his next hair statement, saw a flag, snatched it, ran with it, got some attention, got bored again, possibly still is..or..possibly not.

Life's a bitch sometimes, Mr. Coley.



05:53 pm - Mon, June 4 2012
Bob Z. said:
In what world is a transient grabbing a holiday decoration and dropping it on the ground front page news?

Oh, it's a flag.

The Supreme Court has twice ruled that burning a flag is constitutionally protected free speech but we're going to waste precious government funds prosecuting someone because they dropped one on the ground.

I guess the state must have money to burn.
08:49 pm - Mon, June 4 2012
Trafik said:
It makes question the pride I feel living in this city when I see remarks like those below thoughtfully penned by enlightened, educated, free-thinking, informed morons.

Small towns such as McMinnville feature stories like this for several reasons. First, the charge "abuse or desecration of a venerated object" is a charge rarely brought anywhere. Some people think that's interesting. Second, a teenage entrepreneur created a service to help businesses demonstrate patriotism and his property was stolen by a boob. Some folks find that interesting. Third, the sense of community that makes McMinnville a special place to live is righteously offended by such actions and it is a small newspaper's duty to report such events.

Get a life.
08:13 am - Tue, June 5 2012
miketubbs1 said:
Bob Z.,

The flag is not a holiday decoration, but for people such as yourself, perhaps, that's all it represents, just a decoration, a fashion statement of sorts. Whereas for others it represents something more, and what its represents to others should be respected.

You're marvelous, relax....flags represent different things to different people, that's why every country on this planet has it's own. Just curious, bob, is there any flag that represents something more to you, than it might for others?
08:57 am - Tue, June 5 2012
Bob Z. said:
miketubbs1: As for the flag not being a decoration, when it's put out on Memorial Day on the street, in the same way lights are put out for Christmas, it's a holiday decoration.

As for what the flag represents, since huge flags appeared in many cities around the start of the Iraq war, for me it has come to represent excessive nationalism. The "If you don't support the war you don't support the troops" kind of attitude so popular when we were gearing up to invade a country based on lies about weapons of mass destruction.

When we pledge allegiance to the flag and nation for which it stands, are we saying we support the actions of our country? Are we saying we support the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians by drone? The invasion of countries that were no threat to us? Torturing prisoners? The destruction of Habeas Corpus? The President's right to kill anyone, anywhere without any kind of due process? Free speech zones? What does that red, white and blue bit of cloth represent?

I know for many people the flag represents is a love of country and a sense of pride in being an American, but when that pride and love blind people to the evils being done in our name, it does us, the country, and world no good.

Trafik: You talk about the "sense of community that makes McMinnville a special place to live.." How does calling people morons fit into that sense of community?
09:40 am - Tue, June 5 2012
myopinion said:
I'm not overly patriotic, but I DO respect the American Flag, as it represents MY grandfather. That is why I display my flag, in HIS memory. Had he taken my flag, I would be hurt, for no other reason, then my grandfather.
02:19 pm - Tue, June 5 2012
Mack said:
Thank God we have far more people in McMinnville like Nate than like Mr Coley.
BobZ, If you don't like it, leave it.
God bless the USA!!!!!
02:38 pm - Tue, June 5 2012
Mack said:
BobZ, Do you honestly in your heart of hearts think that Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama are all a bunch of cold blooded killers who just delight in murdering people in other countries? Do you think they ran for president just so they could round up a poor bunch of innocent Arabs and take 'em to Cuba and torturer them??
Come on, Man. Wake up and use some common sense.
Do you think that it could be possible that our Presidents and those they works with have knowledge about threats to our country that you aren't privy to? Do you think there just might be a chance that they and our military are working around the clock to keep you safe and sound??
Honestly, I am simply amazed at people who see the world out of your perspective. It must be an unpleasant life, feeling like your country's leaders are a bunch of ruthless killers.
05:55 pm - Tue, June 5 2012
troy prouty said:
Posted "It makes question the pride I feel living in this city when I see remarks like those below thoughtfully penned by enlightened, educated, free-thinking, informed morons"

Are you saying it is now my time to run for President?

lol..

Please tell us how you really feel..... don't hold back so much next time. An independant wouldn't!

Troy*
06:09 pm - Tue, June 5 2012
troy prouty said:
Mack.

I'm a little surprised by your comment to Bob. And the reason I'm surprised is the fact that Iraq for example was certainly no threat to the U.S. There was no possible way they could be from a geographic point of view. All my years in and around politics I have learned that nothing is as it seems to be.

My Uncle Fletcher Prouty was part of the great decision along with the new established CIA in the 1950's to be able to turn governments without using military to do it. Through establishing protest and rebel movements, like they did in 1954 in Guatamala and like they attempted against Chavez not that many years ago. Many of these have been for Corporate interest. In 1954 for example it was for Dole Foods.

In the last 70 years there has been 270+ conflicts of one sort or another and most involve Corporations of some sort.

If I'm President. I got there from money given to me, in which I must pay back, so later I can even get more back (after I leave) if I have proven myself to those that helped me get there.

That is reality. That is my experience with being a part of Tom Foley's career, being a part of international relations council during Reagan years and all my coverage after especially since 1999. I have seen people introduce bills only to make sure those bills fail by support from collegues in order to satisfy their district (look I introduced this). Politics is Nasty, you can stay in the denial part, or you can wake up and actually do a little research about it.

I just feel sorry for our troops that are being used and dying for some wealthy person's agenda.

Troy Prouty*
06:49 pm - Tue, June 5 2012
Bob Z. said:
Mack: General Smedley D. Butler ("(July 30, 1881 � June 21, 1940) was a Major General in the U.S. Marine Corps, an outspoken critic of U.S. military adventurism, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history." - and the author of 'War Is A Racket') said:

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler (Quote and bio)

More recently, look up information on the "Project for a New American Century" and the War on Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
06:18 am - Wed, June 6 2012
miketubbs1 said:
Nothing of which lends any credence to the actions Mr Coley. None, whatsoever. May I be so bold as to suggest, that 'if' he'd really wanted to make a statement from his impoverished position, he might have considered standing in front of any local VFW or American Legion Post, and panhandled for donations to his cause.

I am quite positive that he'd have had people climbing over one another to reach out to him...well...so much for taking the high road, eh, Bob?
10:11 am - Wed, June 6 2012
John Smith Jr said:
honestly, i don't think the issue here is what he did to the flag, although i don't agree with it and i would find it offensive to see someone disrespecting our flag, or anyone elses flag for that matter, i think that if he wants to buy his own flag and wipe his @$$ with it or burn it, it's his choice - freedom of speech, but the issue is that this was NOT his flag, he has no right to take something that belongs to someone else, i agree with the theft charges.

10:50 am - Wed, June 6 2012
Manup said:
Bob Z- he stole it, that at least in my humble opinion is the actual problem. I understand that there are some allowances with flags, personally, I think that there are far too many- but that's not the point.

The point is, he stole it, and upon seeing an officer dropped it on the ground. A double whammy I guess, but in looking in a different context, what if he just stole a TV? Saw a cop and dropped it?

McMinnville does not need transients who are stealing from little boy scouts, regardless of their reasoning. It was not his, he should have kept his hands off, period.
11:34 am - Wed, June 6 2012
ronpaul2012 said:
John Smith said it best.
04:21 am - Thu, June 7 2012
troy prouty said:
"yes" I believe stealing something that doens't belong to you is a crime and I'm against it, which is why it tends to bother me that some guy did this to a flag and gets press time, when there are 100's of Corporations and CEO's stealing peoples pensions and walking out themselves with milllions from it and yet this guy who did this to the flag is going to get more punishment than those people.

It's not even what we do overseas that is insulting. It's what we do here that might be the most insulting. Our laws, our seperation of class. I guess luckily, I know it won't last that at some place, there is a breaking point to Capitalism and Collapse to our system, in which we will have to start over and hopefully many people will be humbled enough this next time around, but after our justice system fails, health system, school system, economy and government all fail.

The question is will take violence to make the changes necessary (like it so often does) when governments crumble serving their people, or is there a peaceful solution for it, when it is time to do so, one can only speculate at this moment.

Troy Prouty*
08:34 am - Thu, June 7 2012
Silencedogood said:
To me the flag represents our country not our government.

Just like most of our politicians, this guy stole from a kid who was doing a good thing.
08:13 am - Sat, June 9 2012
bamadrmz said:
Bob Z - do yourself and everyone else a favor. Leave the U.S., and don't look back. Go live in your perfect world, if it exists outside of your mind. Troy Prouty, I assume you're running for some political office so you can change the world, or raising money for the causes that you're so upset about. If not, quit griping and do something about it.
04:46 pm - Sat, June 9 2012
Bob Z. said:
bamadrmz: If everyone who disagrees with the actions of our government leaves, the government will continue as it has: torturing prisoners, invading countries that aren't a threat to us, locking people away without charges, killing people without any judicial process, destroying the social safety net, disregarding borders, taking away our rights, invading our privacy, etc.

Why would anyone want to leave when there is so much to be done here?



03:05 pm - Tue, June 12 2012
Silencedogood said:
We can love our country and distain our government at the same time. It doesn't mean someone un-patriotic because they want to change their elected officials.

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