Second-hand dealers ward off crackdown

"Cash flow is our life-blood,"..."If we can't generate it, it becomes a hardship."

Any motivational speaker addressing a gathering of 'Pimp's might express his..or..her sentiments in the same manner, and obviously be correct in that assessment.

I agree with the dealers. We are sheep going to the slaughter. We let the TSA xray and grope us. We are now in a police state where almost everything we do requires an ID and scrutiny. Where does it stop. To me it has nothing to do with cash flow and everything to do with the American way of life that is almost gone.

We are with the government and we are here to help you. run

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/11/us-usa-homelandsecurity-websites-idUSTRE80A1RC20120111

Carl,

The concept apparently works well when it comes to putting a handle on the metal thieves. Have you heard of any complaints from the buyers/sellers of their stuff?

Or, is that somehow different from your perspective?

same deal mike. We are losing what we had. We are now neither safe or secure and it is mostly from our government. Search and seizure laws are just about gone. Government can now lock us up without a real reason. Where does it stop mike. What will it take for the citizens to wake up. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty.

Both Schnitzer of Portlant and Cherry City of Salem seem to be conducting their business just fine, though, the same concept may have put a bunch in the panties citizenry of 'CrackTown'

And even though I may agree with you that Oregon should be a right to work state, we gotta draw the line on that somewhere 'good buddy'. Doing so in McMinnville would be a good start!

Don't you think?

(a return of edit buttons would be nice, hopefully business will pick up so Jeb can afford to get'em back from the hock shop)

So I suppose you are also for what the tsa now does or maybe not if you do not fly. I guess you like the government to know every transaction you make, record everything you say or do. You might not have anything to hide and neither do I but I refuse to show id for everything I do. This is not china. I have even spent a night in jail because I was asked for my id for just walking down the street and I refused.

Maybe in McMinnville it would be a good start to not be a police state town.

whatdoya think.

oh and right to work is another subject and all states should be.

I'm think'n some laws and/or ordinances, as well as some methods employed to enforce them are a good thing, and some not so much. That's what I think. Do I agree with the manner/methods employed by the TSA? No!...no I do not, some of the TSA's methods are extremely questionable and on the the 'not so much side' category, from my perspective.

Do I think business's and/or vendors have some inherent constitutional right to profit made from/through the purchase and sale of yours or my stolen property?

NO!...I do not, not anymore than I believe a pimp working the streets of McMinnville is entitled to enjoy any amount of unimpeded profit through the proceeds of pandering/prostitution.

So punish everyone dealers included because of a couple. The article states there are some bad dealers so then go after them. Build a case against them. You can not convince me they do not know who they are.

Your pimp analogy with the pimp is a poor one. If you use that then the cops should suspect all men as being pimps and proceed accordingly. Like I said where does it stop. We and business's are run by people like me and you do have a constitutional right to run business with out playing cops or be impeded by onerous rules. We have a right to sell our stuff with out giving out our id and finger prints like we are a criminals. We have a right to walk down a street at night without being asked for id. again where does it stop.

Yes, yes there are I would imagine many more good-honest-business-people than bad.. Point taken, take care, Carl.

Hey imagine that, the constitution is sound to my ears! Stop getting involved in business that isnt yours.

A message to the Police, I hope you truly stand by your oath to defend the Constitution. Your job is not to invade the lives of people who violate policies created by federal government agencies.
If your not then your showing your true colors of corruption.

Instead you should be promoting gun sales, for people to defend them self, using here I say, the Constitutions Second Amendment. Which in turn would greatly reduce crimes in all categories.

If you are concerned about fighting REAL crime and tyranny , which you should be...remember the oath? You should be looking towards your government crime bosses who direct you to commit these crimes and violating their rights!

Ron,

I'd suppose there is some merit to the argument that a blind man (under certain conditions) has a constitutional right to defend his-self with a hand grenade.

If the News Register's statement is correct, that the ordinance would allow police to search records "on demand," then it violates section 9 of the Oregon Constitution, the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution, hundreds of years of related case law, plus the legitimate rights of the people that the city council is supposed to be representing and protecting in the first place.

There are already fully legitimate ways of shutting down companies and people who deal in stolen goods. They just take work -- get evidence, witnesses and a warrant. Neither the city council nor the police have the authority to override the state and federal constitutions, and I'm very disturbed that they'd even consider doing so.

Michael- I would encourage a blind man to do whatever he wishes to defend himself. We live in a country where freedom and liberty is a must.
If you think much different then that. Move to China where your views are more accepted.
This idea we must give up our freedom for us to rely on someone to keep us safe is nonsense! it must stop now!
Remember the when the 14th amendment of the constitution was signed into effect?
Government agencies, yes including police did absolutly nothing after that when african americans were still getting killed and beat down.

Why do the police want a 25 day holding period? All they need to do is appoint one cop to check out the various stores every couple days.

They don't want to do their job, they want the dealers to do it for them while they collect revenue pulling honest people over for running yellow lights.

"This idea we must give up our freedom for us to rely on someone to keep us safe is nonsense! it must stop now!"

Ron,

I agree, and wouldn't it be nice if we were free to reclaim our stolen property without first needing to jump through a series of legal hoops to do so?

I would suppose that most citizens in our country would prefer the freedom not to, don't you think?

Silence,

I agree, perhaps a 30 day waiting period might be better, and why not assign the task to an unpaid police intern?

@Michael

I would have to agree with you, a majority of citizens would like the freedom of not being forced to go into any type of legal situation. I believe the restrictions imposed upon the people are what created these situations, or people to steal. The theft of Metals is at an all time high.
Austerity, and Inflation are a major cause of this. So continue the bailouts, raising the debt ceiling , voting for establishment paid for puppets...And this will never stop, only get worse.
And not just here in Yamhill County this is all over the world. I believe this story is a distraction from the real issues we are facing.
In my opinion the police address a very poor and not very well thought out plan.

"Austerity, and inflation are a major cause of this. So continue the bailouts, raising the debt ceiling, voting for establishment paid puppets...And this will never stop, only get worse. And not just here in Yamhill County this is all over the world."

Ron,

I agree, and not to drift too far off-topic, and not claiming to possess any extraordinary prophetic skills, all of those urban-warfare exercises being conducted in most all major U.S. cities from coast to coast, over the prior decade, were/are a harbinger of things to come.

The monetary system as designed will eventually collapse, and so will many of the rules by which society lives by. I think there will be much suffering and torment born among a great many people. That's what I think.

Forget milk. ...Got Seeds?

Michael, you hit the nail right on the head. Very true! seeds were once worth more then gold. and can happen again in a close future. Ebay has amazing non-GMO. survival seed banks for around 35$ for 500,000 seeds. great deal and perfect for those who want to be ready!
Liberty is rising! But those who are ready for this to come will be the ones to make it through an economic collapse.
Problem being too many now forced to become dependent on government assistance to live.
If you have not already. please check out InfoWars.com for much for this information we talk about has been there for years.

Interesting topic- as far as the government knowing everything I buy, I don't see how it is any different than the companies who track- Payless shoe stores track my telephone number and email for every transaction, Safeway tracks what I buy and how much on every transaction in exchange for cheaper groceries, Redbox tracks my credit card, movie rentals, and which part of the city I rent particular movies from, and Mac water and light track not just this months energy/water usage but over a years worth and possibly more. So what exactly is the government doing that is so freaking different?
As far as them keeping records on dealers, I would support it considering it is no more than what you sold and your name and address, after all if my things were stolen (and we know we have quite a few thieves in the area) I would be grateful for the opportunity to regain MY property AND know who stole it and the ABILITY to prosecute them.
Why do we insist on making things easier for the criminal by whining about putting our name on a list? Do we really have THAT much to hide that we rather permanently lose precious heirlooms and such than give our name?
This is NOT about government intrusion, this is about curbing the chances of thieves who are breaking into our homes, possibly armed and wrecking havoc on our community. I did not read that the police are tracking every sale to verify it, simply having the lists in CASE it is needed in an effort to track a thief. Drop the conspiracy theories already.

manup I do not give my phone number or anything else to stores. I use mostly cash. I do not rent movies. Why should the government know what i buy or sell? I have nothing to hide but you obviously do not get a little thing called principle. The cops can look at all that info anytime they want with out a reason or court order. They can not go in and look at payless shoes records with out a court order. Do you even consider or understand the freedoms we are losing and have lost?

This is about government intrusion. There are ways now to track down the perps and if there are bad dealers I bet they already know who they are. Build a case do the job. Why does a few american citizens want to give up freedoms. When does it stop. No one has answered that yet.

Carl,

Concerning your comments about the TSA ... do you feel that some individuals should require more scrutiny/focus on them, than some others?

And if so, why?

@Manup

I believe you need to be woken up, Your in a trance..Break the chains!
We all have been born into Tyranny, And you need to do some digging into history to know what this is about.
Just those who are not informed are unaware of what freedoms have been removed from them.

Most of thefts around here in mac are a majority, drug addicted teens, and younger adults. The prohibition of these drugs,, and these teens having no direction in life is what I believe has a large impact. Starts with Vaccination Toxicity beginning at birth(read the insert dummy), dumbing down through the federalization of the school systems. The IQ reduction from Fluoride(more in school water added) Hitler Approved!..The Influence of conformity on society through religion.

And before you deny any of those small examples, please...atleast google and check out the million plus websites confirming the information.


It is not Conspiracy, It is Reality.
You have been warned.

Ron,

I've never visited the info wars site. As for non-GM seeds, the Dunton family located in Molalla, Oregon, do offer a large selection to choose from. They were as close to 'shopping local' that I could find----> www.naturallygrown.org/farms/618

Great info Michael! I will check that out, saved to my bookmarks. Shopping local is always my first choice..

I do hope you check out Infowars, So much news there that the George Soros owned Mainstream media does not cover intentionally. Reuters.com Does cover LOTS of Infowars articles which usually explode and mainstream is forced to cover REAL topics.

And the nuts have it! Thank you for suggesting I look at history, I have. I have learned how ridiculous Americans can be when they feel they are owed something- the second amendment is a PRIME example of how warped good intentions can become left unchecked.
I am all for limitations in government, but in this particular instance I find it harmless with the potential to do more good than bad.
I have spoken with others and their first question was "what are they (those who protest this idea) trying to hide? Are they the ones selling illegal items? Or are they buying?!
While I agree you are not all criminal and some are just conspiracy hounds (it does make life more interesting) I feel this PARTICULAR instance should be allowed, but this comes from someone who has nothing but fading memories of a dead family due to a heroine addict who stole and sold everything my family owned from heirlooms, family recipes, tools,jewelry, photo albums, blankets, etc. It was all untraceable and never recovered, the thief while known, was never arrested.
I don't see this as giving up my rights, I see this as an effort in protecting my family from the loss of family treasures whether valuble or not, that can happen because some junkie decides i need to support his habit and the lowlife buyer who buys and sells without question.
I believe there are many worse things in politics happening, here and nationwide- I will put my energy behind those things and hope that this will pass and at least offer our community the chance to prosecute those who have so boldly broken in to our homes, and stollen what we value as important in our lives and the ability to regain the FEELING of safety that also disappears when a family has been violated in such a disturbing way.

Ron,

The thing about purchasing non-GM seeds through ebay, is, that it may be (depending on what day of the year you'd received them) up to two years before you'd know whether you'd been deceived..or..not, and quite frankly would find yourself in an un-enviable position of no recourse.

Not that you'd anymore enjoy the feeling you'd experience upon discovering yourself a recipient of stolen property, albeit it, you purchased it and rightfully claim ignorance.

Justice can hide behind behind her claim of blindness, I think she should be more accountable, and allowing her a peek here and there may actually make her more so, don't you think?

manup said.....I have spoken with others and their first question was "what are they (those who protest this idea) trying to hide?..........

I have heard that all my life and it is the canard that has made it so we have been losing our freedoms. Like seizure before trials and so on. It does not fly. Look at history. They came for..but it did not effect me.... They took away.... but it did not effect me.. Does that remind you of something?

"the ability to regain the FEELING of safety " And that is all it is, a feeling. The left is all about a feeling. Now it is coming to a conservative near you. A feeling is not reality.

Now here is the question. How many of these places are actually in yamhill county? 2 or 3? Why would that stop a thief? It just hassles honest people. The owner and the people that are buying. Tell me how that is not true.

It's a hassle to write your name and addy? Again, why fight something that has the potential to do good?
I used the term "feeling" because after an intrusion in to ones home, that's all you have left. These theives may take valuables, but they leave a FEELING of insecurity for years to come. If dealers won't buy without proper ID,than just possibly the intrusions would settledown before someone gets killed.

man up why should I, a legal honest citizen, have to give id every time I turn around. I have had a 10k item stolen from a break in once and let me just say it would not ease any type of feeling making honest citizens jump thru hoops. This is not Russia. You know what made me feel better? A better alarm system and more training in firearms.

And please explain how you think that this law in Yamhill county will stop intrusions. It is only a feeling because it won't. There are other counties and states.

So keep on taking away our freedoms in the name of safety until you can not even drive to a store with out big brother. Lets see we now have the TSA, and the new law that makes it possible to be taken with out cause and held indefinitely and many others. Tell me please where do you draw the line. I have read the tsa is now in some bus terminals and also sets up road blocks to stop all cars. You might think it makes you feel safe but a lot of us see that we are not free anymore.

In an effort to curb crime, murder, mass murder, suicide bombers, thieves, kidnappers, rapists, and whoever else is out there with intent to cause harm I will most certainly, without a doubt be ecstatic to leave my name, your ID was not made to sit quietly in your wallet, it was made to differentiate between you and the criminal next to you.
If you feel this is such an intrusion what would you suggest?