By Emily Bonsant • Of the News-Register • 

Yamhill fire patron claims First Amendment violation

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Ron

This woman, Lauren is a public nuisance. She should be locked out of the meetings due to security reasons she is a loose cannon. The chief got arrested the boards getting investigated everything‘s moving along. Seems like a personal vendetta. Maybe she didn’t get the contract to make T-shirts and sweatshirts for Yamhill fire.

Lulu

Lauren "Karen" Randolph--what a class act.

Moe

Be nice Lulu.

Us men sure wouldn't want cat fights breaking out in the comment section, never mind at boring fire meetings ... he he he he he.

Moe

Achtung!

It pays to exercise our Bill of Rights.

Germany:

—Recent police predawn raids against citizens accused of posting insults…their electronic devices seized. If convicted, they’ll pay stiff fines. Repeat offenders go to jail.

In Germany, if you call a person a jackass online, you’re guilty.

NJINILNCCAOR

Words are important.

Using words that everyone knows are inappropriate for polite society does not play well when you are trying to get your point across to people who may not appreciate those words.

She was stupid to use that tactic in that meeting.

Lulu

Moe--it's "we men," not "us men."

Moe

You are correct Lulu:

"We men" is correct - and sounds right to me (right brain).

"Us men" is not correct - and doesn't sound right to me (right brain).

Right brain warned me.

But left brain has no idea how to explain. I never learned that high class stuff in school. I write what sounds right to me, which is at least almost always correct.

So, I have Webster's New World open to Personal Pronouns ... tough sledging for me. I'll see if Strunk & White covers the topic ...

Great if you could explain in your own words - I'm listening, Moe.

Lulu

Grammar is not "high class stuff."
First, rewrite the sentence after removing the noun "men." Ask yourself, which makes sense: "Us sure wouldn't want cat fights breaking out" or "We sure wouldn't want cat fights breaking out."
It appears your right brain (carrot) and left brain (stick) are engaged in mortal conflict.

Lulu

Furthermore, you mean "catfight" (altercation between women) and not "cat fight."

Moe

Lulu:

Thank you.

You are one gifted teacher.

And you are correct on all points. My right brain also caught "catfight," by the way. I should have slowed down and done a much more carefool job of proofreading. We men would much rather have catfights v. cat fights at the fire house ...

Your simple rule of momentarily removing "men" as an artifice to decide between "us" and "we" is beautiful. And I will abstract that concept to other cases.

I don't remember the precise example, but once a teacher tried explaining that kind of grammatical rule to me - but I couldn't make heads or tails out of the technical explanation (left brain). Then he gave me a simple rule, again momentarily removing a word as an artifice, and THAT I could understand. I knew what and what did not sound right. Probably not as simple as right v. left brain, but that isn't a bad model in this context.

You also are perceptive in that my right and left brains can be in a sort of combat. That's probably just how it is for us human beings. We rely on both sides. Let's hope it doesn't go so far as mortal combat - but it is true that in some situations right brain intuition can save us from deadly harm, even though we can't explain why (left brain) in the moment.

Checking our intuition with analytical thinking is often necessary. Perhaps more on that another time.

Moe

Oops.

"careful" not "carefool."

Moe

Hmmm ...

Which is correct:

That's probably just how it is for us human beings.

That's probably just how it is for we human beings.

Or

That's probably just how it is for human beings.

Moe

Ok.

Best is:

That's probably just how it is for human beings.

I wouldn't say "Us like food."

But I would say "We like food."

Therefore, also correct:

That's probably just how it is for we human beings.

But the "we" doesn't add any meaning. Unless, perhaps, we are among aliens!

Lulu

In your example, "us" is correct. As in: "that's probably how it is for us."
But shortcuts help: for instance, I constantly had trouble remembering the names of the Great Lakes. Then someone told me about HOMES, which translates to "Huron, Ontario, Michigan, Erie, and Superior."
Or the planets in order from the sun: My Very Earnest Mother Just...which leads to: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter...etc.

Moe

Lulu:

Thanks for your help with grammar today.
Learned lessons that will stay with me always.
And lessons that I may be able to pass on to others. My comment on high class grammar was a kind of boilerplate from one of the greatest 20th century physicists - can you guess who?

Sometimes it pays to be a little less high class. During WWII, Battle of the Bulge, a sentry challenge was to state the capital of California. San Fransico - ok. Sacramento - BANG!

You mentioned elsewhere that the Canadian anthem had a catchy tune. How's this for an amazing anthem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJcnuZB4Xt4

Quick quiz:

Deepest & shallowest of the Great Lakes?

(I grew up sailing on the Great Lakes.)

Lulu

Deepest: Lake Superior

"The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down/
Of the big lake they call Gitchee Gumee/
Superior, they said, never gives up her dead/
When the gales of November come early."

"The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald"--Gordon Lightfoot

Moe

Correct Lulu, Lake Superior is the deepest.

Next quiz: Which of the USA 48 is farthest north?

I remember the Chippewa Hotel back in Manistee Michigan (on Lake Michigan). My father said one of the waitresses was "slick." So, at maybe 11 y or so, I studied on the question ...

Lake Erie is the shallowest. And therefore, dangerous for ships. I have read stories, such as immigrants from Europe on a ship, marveling at the farms and so on as they approached their destination - only to have the ship's back broken sagging between wave crests, many lost.

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