By Tom Henderson • Staff Writer • 

Study to examine how and where people park

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Comments

Lulu

Twenty-seven thousand dollars??????? The city council sure was taken for a ride.

tagup

So Lulu---How much do YOU think it should cost?....The story states his company has spent 6 months on the study and is still continuing......Doesn't sound that bad to me if some usable recommendations are the result.

Lulu

Twenty-seven thousand dollars??? Is everyone loco?

tagup

so...answer the question.... how much is fair for what will likely be 8 months work?

Lulu

I hope they are being paid by the job and not the time.
Tagup--I'd have done it for one-quarter; and they would already be in receipt of my repor, as Stephen Colbert would say.

tagup

I'm sure they are paid by the job, but I would guess the duration was a factor in the bid price. I' m sorry but I don't find your cost estimate credible in the real world for a project of 6 plus months...After taxes and overhead, your not even at minimum wage....you won't be in business long.

Lulu

Six months is a ridiculous amount of time.

tagup

Lulu, This is a professional consulting firm that has done a number of urban parking analysis projects.....How many have you done?
I think you should do your homework.....

Lulu

I have a swell idea: how about one solid year of analysis to determine parking anomalies connected by season? And then simply divide by four.

tagup

Your point being???

kona

It is ridiculous and a total waste of money. I have been involved in that kind of business for 30 years. A two hour walk down 3rd St. and adjacent streets can reveal all the information needed. It is easy to tell by the deterioration, or not of the pavement. That is all that matters.

Lulu

What Kona said.

tagup

Another expert heard from....so you can walk down the streets and tell the parking patterns by the wear on the pavement....Hmmm, sounds very scientific... I would love to hear you sell your methodology to the council.

kona

tagup, yes I am an expert. Yes, I "can walk down the streets and tell the parking patterns by the wear on the pavement". The council has no clue about the process and for that reason will through "easy money" to whomever wants it. It is how government often does things. Yes I have processed $millions in contracts for all levels of government street projects.

kona

"throw" not "through", sorry.

tagup

Like I said, I would love to hear you explain to that poor uninformed council, how you developed peak day and time usage from wear on the pavement...Hope they haven't resurfaced lately...might blow your entire hypothesis..



kona

tagup, you don't have a clue. Nice try about just wanting to argue about how you justify $27,000 for a meaningless contract. What is your expertise about this topic? This has about as much validity as when the council threw money toward getting a rapid transit train to McMinnville which was shot down 100 percent but was a total waste of tax money.

tagup

Right, nobody has a clue but you.....

I think it makes perfect sense to have a professional company gather some factual information that might help justify (or not) a plan of improvement. The cost is open to debate, but I'm pretty sure someone wandering around the downtown area "for two hours" looking at wear patterns on the parking lots might have some validity issues as well, and could certainly fall into the "meaningless" category.

Since it appears that you want to deflect into some other areas of discussion, I think I will move on.....




Lulu

This county government has a singular penchant for playing fast and loose with a great deal of money, oftentimes with regrettable results down the road [with not enough parking spaces].
Please send by return mail a money order in the amount of $1800.00 for my analysis thus far. No personal checks.

tagup

Lulu, I think the parking analysis is city business not county....be sure you send your bill ( and indignation) to the right spot

kona

tagup up said, "nobody has a clue but you". You could be correct. It certainly should not cost $27,000 to find out tat clue. They will pay several months salary to have a "flunky" drive up the couple of streets with a video camera to look at parking at various hours during the day. check oil drips in the asphalt and look at wear and tear on the asphalt. Then write a report. Certainly not worth $27,000. The city does very little "in house" anymore and pays two or three times as much to do it "out of house".

Jeb Bladine

Really, folks, if you think a potentially multi-million-dollar parking management challenge will be analyzed and resolved nicely by having someone walk around a few blocks and jot down notes, you probably think we should just pull a few line-of-sight strings across the gully, drop a plumb bob and start construction on the new Three Mile Lane bridge.

No city council of a city our size would just count a few spaces and call it a parking study to determine whether, and where, and when, we need to develop new parking lots and even a major parking structure. Look around at the studies done for other cities and ask what they cost.

Here's one for Canby:
http://canbyoregon.gov/documents/Visioning/support_plans/CanbyDowntownParkingStudy8-2012.pdf

And one for Oregon City:
https://downtownoregoncity.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Assembled-Oregon-City-Parking-Study-Report-FINAL.pdf


Elizabeth

Reading the above article, Mr. Williams will be conducting random observations only during June. I would like to know if special events will also be included in his study. Downtown parking is insane during swim meets, Turkey Rama, the UFO festival, Christmas Parade, Halloween, farmers market, etc. I enjoy attending all those events. Finding handicapped parking is difficult if not impossible. Thank you.

kona

I will be interested to see what this study suggests. Just curious if there are centrally located properties to build a two story block size parking structure?

tagup

One obvious location would be the existing parking lot on 2nd and Davis/Evans...

Jim

I would love to see the City of McMinnville do a parking study on the whole town not just down town. There is no parking for the Community Center,County Court House,High School,High School tennis courts,softball fields, or baseball fields and the list goes on.

kona

Jim, County Courthouse? There is a two story parking structure right across the street that I have never found filled.

Lulu

The structure near the courthouse feels creepy during winter. In warmer months, the homeless use it as a latrine and the smell would gag a maggot.

tagup

Interesting....even with all that, the structure still seems to be well used...

tagup

Maybe we can include a creepiness survey and increase the Feng Shui factor for our next parking structure.....

Lulu

Make no mistake: Creepiness counts.
As does a modest appreciation of a sense of humor, irony, paradox, incongruity, hyperbole, parody and satire.

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