By editorial board • 

Immigration policy needs civil discourse, not ridicule, diatribe

Donald Trump’s immigration policies are beginning to hit home, which have people on edge, to the point of triggering rumored U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement raids.

One such example arose this week. Our news department was asked more than once about the rumored presence of ICE agents at Walmart. It turned out be a squad of uniformed employees arriving in a caravan of identical vans to perform an inventory.

The news department decided to quash the rumor through its Facebook page. The led to what we’ve come to expect these days — incessant mudslinging about a misunderstanding of equal parts comedy and tragedy. 

Trump’s election has emboldened many on the right, giving them a renewed sense of confidence and clout. Those who previously chose apathy over discourse are now speaking out.

Down the line, this could be a good thing. After all, democracy works best when all voices contribute.

In the short term, however, expect more growing pains, as debate continues to deflect into diatribe. It will take some time for this new recipe to become remotely productive. 

You can argue that undocumented immigrants who entered this country without legal authorization should be sent home. You may agree or disagree with some or all of that, but you won’t change the fact it has become a matter of serious debate.

What can be changed is how that debate is carried out. For a prime example of how not to engage productively, consider this post responding to ours:

“So u the news register fell for a couple of people who said ice was at Walmart. First of all if their are illegals working or shopping there that is the job of ice. Second Oh my God we actually do what the constitution says. Good if Ice was there but u said they weren’t. Trump haters on full display. Go trump”

If you support the president and his immigration policies, we recommend you do your best to distance yourself from the type of comments that make members of your camp seem like imbeciles. Those on both sides of the divide would be best advised to avoid the lowest common denominator.

Fear of being ripped from one’s family is real. So are the repercussions for local economic kingpins like wine production, nursery crops and Christmas trees, which rely heavily on migrant workers. 

We will not all agree, but perhaps we could engage in civil discourse.

Comments

Graham

“Fear … is real. So are the repercussions for local economic kingpins like wine production, nursery crops and Christmas trees, which rely heavily on migrant workers.”
The phrase “migrant workers” is a dishonest, touchy-feely term for illegal labor. These businesses use illegal workers because they can pay them low wages, and thus pass the true cost of their presence on to tax-payers who must then provide subsidized housing, medical care, education, language-learning, etc. for the illegal workers and their families.
Mechanization in agriculture is necessary. See this Dec. 2016 report on mechanization in wine grape production in Washington state: http://www.goodfruit.com/vineyard-mechanization-is-grape-quality-impacted/. Also Unravelling Global Politics & the Vineyard Mechanization Imperative at https://wineeconomist.com/2017/01/31/mechanization/

tagup

hospitality, food service, agriculture,and construction use migrant labor because that's all that is available, not because of low wages.....many of those employers are paying starting wages in the $14-$15+/hr range and still can't get enough workers. Just check the help wanted advertising if you don't believe it.
This rising labor cost will certainly make mechanization a viable option but surely you realize that it won't be cost effective or suitable in most situations.

listen*up

hospitality and food service are high schooler jobs 10.00 hr.low level experience jobs,construction work is a 25.00 and up paying jobs that americans will do but illegals are doing it for 12.00hr,agricultural jobs were meant to be seasonal migrational jobs hence the word migrant,as long as you have companies underpaying the jobs you will have illegals taking those jobs,and american workers lose,roofing and landscaping companies were also good paying jobs until they realized they could keep more money for themselves by hiring illegals.hopefully soon companies caught hiring illegals will be finded or have their businesses seized,if you can't follow the law you don't deserve to have a business.

Joel2828

I think one thing that is so irritating to those of us on the right is the way those on the left (when they can't win their argument on the merits) cleverly, over time alter words and phrases to obfuscate the issue. For instance, when a person from another country illegally enters our country the legal term that is applied to them is "illegal alien." The left gradually changed that to "illegal immigrant" and now brazenly just says "immigrant." An immigrant and an illegal alien are complete opposites.
It's very frustrating to try to have a serious and civil conversation with someone who is playing those kind of dishonest word games.

Joel2828

And the argument that we should look the other way on immigration laws because of the "Fear of being ripped from one’s family" has never been persuasive to me. Every time someone breaks the law they risk getting caught and being "ripped from their family." We saw that just recently when the guy who caused the horrible tragedy while he was street racing here in Mac was caught, and held accountable. He is being "ripped from his family" for breaking the law. It's a horrible thing but it is one of the potential legal consequences of breaking ANY law.

Joel2828

Now that I have got those things off my chest, I will say that I appreciate and agree with the NR's call for civil discourse. Nothing good ever can be accomplished unless we honestly try to put ourselves in the shoes of those we disagree with and try to see things as they do. Going forward I'm going to try to do a better job of that and I also pledge to be more civil in my comments here.

treefarmer

Joel2828 – Great comments, thoughtful logic, much appreciate your contribution to the discussion. Earlier today I stumbled upon this TED talk given by a former Westboro church member. She makes some excellent points about the state of our discourse today and what we can do to improve it.

Food for thought:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVV2Zk88beY

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